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This site is pointless anyway Results Polls Votes 133  Forum FAQ  •  Search  •  Memberlist  •  Usergroups   •  Register  •  Profile  •  Log in to check your private messages  •  Log in Jointcrackers Forum Index » Treatment » Addiction therapy    Goto page Previous  1, 2  Addiction therapy « View previous topic :: View next topic »  Author Message shallowhal Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:53 am    Post subject: Jointcracker Joined: Mar 04, 2007 Posts: 13 The point of my post is to wonder aloud if the people who are obsessed with the notion of addiction and control feel as though voluntary joint cracking is different than involuntary joint cracking. Is there some fundamental difference between a joint that is cracked voluntarily and one that is cracked involuntarily? Is the joint that is cracked voluntarily more damaged by the fact that it was cracked voluntarily than the same joint that was cracked involuntarily? For me, getting out of bed in the morning causes multiple joints to crack involuntarily, writing with a pen or pencil causes some joints in my hand/fingers to crack involuntarily. I ALSO crack those exact same joints voluntarily from time to time. Are the involuntary joint cracks benign and the voluntary joint cracks evil? Does anybody else understand where I'm comming from? Back to top FOF Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:41 am    Post subject: Junior Jointcracker Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 8 Location: Minnesota I would think a crack is a crack. Is there a difference in what happens under my skin when I crack my knuckle intentionally vs. when I do it unintentionally? I doubt it. I understand the difference between my "involuntary" and your "involuntary" - you do nothing extra to cause your knuckle to crack. It just cracks when you are doing whatever you are doing. I guess I may have confused unintentional with involuntary. I crack my knuckles "unintentionally" (meaning it is such a habbit, I do not know I am even doing it when I am doing it...) I still say a crack is a crack... The dynamics of what is happening inside your knuckle (I would guess) would be the same - but, I am not a doctor! Hope that helps! David Back to top shallowhal Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:47 pm    Post subject: Jointcracker Joined: Mar 04, 2007 Posts: 13 Well, David, so glad you chose to respond. Sadly, I really don't think my post was directed to you (although I may be mistaken). My posts were directed to those obsessive/compulsive folks blinded by the notion of "habit". Just out of curiosity, what did you mean by, "but, I am not a doctor!"? In other words, how do you think a doctor would answer differently? Back to top FOF Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:13 am    Post subject: Junior Jointcracker Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 8 Location: Minnesota Yes, I meant that because I am not a doctor, I have not studdied anotomy, and therefore I can only speculate what is happening inside the knuckle. I dont know if a doctor would have more info or not. But what I meant to say was that the knuckle is still being cracked regdless of it was intentional or non intentional. A cut on your arm is still a cut on your arm - self inflicted or accidental. Biologically the same event has occured. Hope that helps... I may have just confused myself more than anything... David Back to top Blaze Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:36 am    Post subject: Supreme Jointcracker Joined: Jul 15, 2007 Posts: 1290 hp wrote: Hi mate, 3 hours late, I've had a bad experience. Since last week, when I read this GREAT article : http://www.spinegroup.com/Advice/NkCrk.html I began to "NO crack my neck and spine" , I was good, I just cracked "naturally" 3 or 5 times at day (I used to do it like 50 times at day) . But today doing a "strong" streaching exercise before my gym (weights) workout , MY whole spine (neck and middle) , shoulders and arms , crack at the same time, and I got STIFF, I felt pain like muscular spams in my neck and back, so I cracked them more, and pain goes away after a while. I think that the theorem is: If you've never cracked an X joint , do not do it . If you're already a joint cracker, you must do it, you're joints and ligaments are already loose , and you have larger separation between the bones (i think that I was born with larger separation between the bones). If that is so. i worry when i am old enough to go to the gym because i don't want to be in horrendous pain each time i work out. Back to top Mazza Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:03 am    Post subject: Crackajack Junior Jointcracker Joined: Oct 26, 2008 Posts: 1 ok well i found the best way to stop is to tape 2 fingers that you do not use together on one hand, this stops you from lacing your fingers together and makes cracking your fingers alot harder. I found this out when i broke my finger, however it does not stop the seering urge to crack. Also does anyone know why cracking becomes easier and more frequent over time? My theory is because more gasses are absorbed into the sivonal fluid but im not sure? any answers? Back to top calciumphosphate Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:10 am    Post subject: Senior Jointcracker Joined: Aug 24, 2008 Posts: 63 Location: SW Canada thats an interesting theory, whats more is that the cells that produce the synovial fluid may change levels of production over time, as well as cells being eliminated all together. There are many different types of cracks though; tendon snaps and mid-bone cracks can occur quite frequently as well. However, the synovial fluid and the caps of bones, in many cases control the range of motion for a specific joint. In cases of arthritis synovial fluid becomes absent and the joint caps over grow, resulting in a loss of range of motion. Essentially, a healthy joint will have the proper amounts of synovial fluid present, in other cases there can be an overabundance of synovial fluid or lack there of. I would guess that an overabundance or lack of synovial fluid could quite possibly lead to more frequent cracking. There could be a type of cracking associated with excess synovial fluid and the deterioration of the cartilage between bone structures. This might be a situation associated with less frequent pressure placed on the joint or lowered calcium absorption at the caps of the joints, leading to cavities that could fill with synovial fluid and extracellular fluids and gases (this would be an example of a deteriorating joint as apposed to an arthritic joint). This would most likely lead to more frequent cracking of the joint. In the arthritic case, as a joint becomes more calcified. Weak deposits of calcium may be placed around the joint and then later dismantled, consequently releasing a cracking sound. This is however all just speculation, solely for the purpose of further criticism and understanding. Back to top JointCracker Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:16 am    Post subject: Re: Crackajack Administrator Joined: Nov 23, 2005 Posts: 222 Mazza wrote: Also does anyone know why cracking becomes easier and more frequent over time? My theory is because more gasses are absorbed into the sivonal fluid but im not sure? any answers? The more you crack a given joint, the more hyper-mobile it will get. Read the posts on hyper-mobility to learn more. Back to top countrygirl Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:34 am    Post subject: Cracking the Knuckle-Cracking addiction Junior Jointcracker Joined: Sep 03, 2009 Posts: 1 I have consulted this site because I have a 13-yo daughter who cracks her knuckles & toes and it drives everyone in the family crazy. I have found some valuable information from some "knuckle-crackers" here which I hope she can use to help her stop this habit. I strongly believe that it is just a bad habit brought on by for one reason or another which I am sure differs from person to person. What knuckle-crackers have to realise when they are with non-knuckle-crackers is that the "nons" find it a cringing habit like scraping nails on a blackboard - it's that bad. It is offensive and disgusting and I tell my daughter this all the time. Perhaps you haven't thought of this aspect of it - how it affects other people. Anyhow, fair dues to all of you who are making a conscious effort to crack the habit (pardon the pun)! Good luck Back to top saladdays Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 2:54 am    Post subject: Re: Cracking the Knuckle-Cracking addiction Senior Jointcracker Joined: Mar 04, 2009 Posts: 57 countrygirl wrote: I have consulted this site because I have a 13-yo daughter who cracks her knuckles & toes and it drives everyone in the family crazy. I have found some valuable information from some "knuckle-crackers" here which I hope she can use to help her stop this habit. I strongly believe that it is just a bad habit brought on by for one reason or another which I am sure differs from person to person. What knuckle-crackers have to realise when they are with non-knuckle-crackers is that the "nons" find it a cringing habit like scraping nails on a blackboard - it's that bad. It is offensive and disgusting and I tell my daughter this all the time. Perhaps you haven't thought of this aspect of it - how it affects other people. Anyhow, fair dues to all of you who are making a conscious effort to crack the habit (pardon the pun)! Good luck I don't have a problem with cracking in front of people. The only times I do it are when I'm alone or when I'm with people that I know don't care. 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